Her Highness 1mother5sisters6daughters took exception and perhaps offense at my comments about skin-tight maternity clothing. My response follows with each of her questions answered.
Your Highness, I’m not critical of you, but answers necessitate criticism of Feminism.
Please accept these two points as foundation of what follows later. (1) I base my thoughts on the highly different primal natures of men and women before emotions, beliefs, and experiences become the primary shapers of their behavior. In that domain, the sexes are vastly different but compatible for marriage. See posts 1671-81 for details. (2) Modern beliefs and practices about maternity and childbirth evolved out of indoctrination started by political radicals and propagandized by feminists. The resulting political movement energized females to view their gender as equal to or better than the other, which to this day pressures men to prove the opposite. In present-day society, the sexes are expected to be more alike, which pushes them toward incompatibility.
Your and my incompatibility of thought flows out of those differences, so let me defend myself as if I speak for my gender.
As women have claimed for a decade or so, you say: “I always thought that when the styles changed from ‘tent’ to snug that it was a compliment to the women. She is not and need not be ashamed of her condition. It is the crowning jewel of the women—the pregnant belly. I think pregnant women are so cute and especially when they show their beautiful round belly. Why would we hide it?”
- It sounds great and should please virtually all females. But remember this: Women grew that attitude with feminist help. It’s the result of woman-think and woman-talk, while simultaneously demeaning and ignoring man-think and man-talk.
- Feminists spouted compliments about ‘snug’ over ‘tent’, and the attitude spread for decades. Who is uplifted? Women! Who is downplayed and obviously less important? Men! How successful have you and others been in relationships by making men less important? Does it get you anywhere? Does it promote compatibility? Feminists propagandized ways in which the sexes are alike by promoting the political benefits of females and demoting the natural benefits of males.
- A very good reason to hide the pregnant belly is that it stimulates masculine thoughts of ugly, and men expect women to avoid that. As hunter-conquerors, they don’t look for or have much regard for unsought targets. Her condition, and to some measure her appearance, is the exclusive business of her husband.
- To the male eye, tee-shirted pregnant women also reflect poorly on their gender. Why stress unattractive features? Remember, I’m talking about the male nature. In reality, many empathetic men have been socialized for one reason or another to accept a woman’s appearance, perhaps as a right. Their primal nature prefers something else, but they go along to get along. It’s the result that feminists intended.
You ask, “How are we mocking our female nature?” You’re impregnated, after which the father is extraneous except as you have already bred compatibility within your relationship. He has personal concern with your belly, but others don’t. So, why should other men be made so aware of what’s none of their business. You’re rubbing their noses in your blessings, but men don’t find much benefit in the blessings of others—unless they helped create it of course.
You ask, “How is it not modest?” It depends on whether you ask a man or woman. Whether pregnant or not, the bare stomach area is close enough to erogenous zones to remind men of sex. However, when the beauty of a flat stomach is warped such that it distorts the masculine imagination about erogenous areas, a woman shines immodestly and appears not far from being willing to ‘show it all’. Mystery thus vanishes in the male mind. Instead of wearing sex on her sleeve, she wears it beneath a tee-shirt. That’s not modest to the male nature. Men don’t think much about modesty, but the absence of it reminds them of sex. However, they respect the concept and presence of modesty since it’s unique to the female gender.
You ask, “How am I making my hubby look like a wuss?” By appearing dressed in a way that makes him look PW to other men. Letting his woman expose herself that way reflects disrespect on either his poor judgment or lack of ‘bossing’ the home. If he’s no more in charge of his home, how does he deserve the respect he has outside it. Does wife know something we (as natural male competitors) don’t?
You ask, “I would never want to offend a man and so I need to know how it is that I am doing that when I ‘show off’ my pregnant belly.” You misapplied my general statement to you personally. You aren’t personally offending men. My statement claims that tee-shirted bellies “also take public eyes away from the pleasant motherly glow that lights and prettifies each pregnant woman’s face. It’s an obvious offense to male eyes and perhaps intended that way.” [Intended by feminists, I should have added.]
You say, “Really…I had NO idea that the way I dressed was considered ugly and offensive to other men.” I hope you don’t take it as hard as you sound. Feminists victimized all women by propagandizing political views to offend the male gender. On the other hand, men view you with considerable if not great respect. You’re so blessed with children and hubby as to also be insulated from worry about outside opinions and influences. Your life is already confirmed as GREAT to others. Your boat is sailing too smoothly to upset the balance by changing your habits.
You say, “I would love suggestions on how to be charmingly subtle…perhaps from other female readers who would be happy to mentor me in this area.” To be as successful as you already are, you must already have an abundance of charm and subtle ways. Why change?
You say, “My hubby never let on.” It’s a good indication that he respects you deeply and presumes that you know best in most of what you do. Marriage doesn’t get much better than that, provided you reciprocate.
Finally, you close with this: “Please help me to see and understand.” You already do. You can’t be mothering eight and expecting the ninth without already seeing and understanding everything of importance in your world. Keep rowing that boat. Er, excuse me, keep your husband happy with your gratitude, farm prosperous with teamwork, and your kids jumping with joy to welcome a new sibling.
Bless you and yours,
Guy


Advising pregnant women how to dress is risky territory, kudos to your bravery Sir Guy.
I agree with you Guy. I have been pregnant with my eight children over three decades (!) so have lived through a lot of changes in maternity styles.
Even if a woman is in beautiful shape (pregnant or not) I find that any skin tight clothes draw attention to her BODY and isn’t that essentially unfeminine? Isn’t true femininity being gloriously joyful about others and wanting to put the spotlight on them? Shouldn’t we want to draw attention to our hair, face and smile and clothes? Not the belly, boobs, butt etc.
I just saw a drop dead gorgeous pregnant woman in the grocery store with not a bit of flab on her. She wore a white tank shirt that was tight fitting over her little pregnant body and it showed her belly button through the fabric. Obviously she was proudly strutting her pregnancy (and I am happy for her) but you are right, it is a private development in her life and we don’t need to be subjected to her bodily changes even if it does involve a baby!
Women can dress beautifully (and differently than men) without revealing every contour of their body…even if that body is in great shape.
Btw-I get a bit taken aback (as well) by a man who is in great shape and insists on wearing muscle shirts or any clothing that shows his body off. Again, it is drawing attention to his body and showing off. I consider it to be immature if happens all the time. It’s hard to take someone seriously who is (obviously) thinking about his body all the time. A well-muscled man in a nice button down dress shirt is much more appealing.
Jill Farris
http://www.generationalwomanhood.wordpress.com
Sir Guy,
A thank you from from the bottom of my heart for your very thorough and understandable answer to my sincere questions.
I don’t know why your words have made me excited but that’s how I feel right now. I love to learn new things and anything that opens my eyes to how I have been living (unawares) in Feminism is right up my alley. I read and SEE the wisdom in your explanations and I want to make the changes that are nessesary to make me even more feminine and blessed to my husband. I want to stear clear of anything Feminism but will admit that often I don’t even know what I am doing because the Feminists have made so many things desireable and acceptable.
I have a great respect for my husband. He has earned every bit. A strong and courageous man, he is bring up a family of respectable citizens, leading us daily in devotions and in a life of example. He also has brought a farm of 160 acres to 600+ acres, 150 cows on one farm to 300 cows on two dairy farms, has a custom planting/harvesting company, is delegate for Agrifoods Canada and Alberta Milk, personally counsels 9 male friends and has started in buying and selling cattle. But mostly, he loves and cherishes me and our children. He is the ‘boss’ and I am happiest when he leads us. Yes, I am proud of him.
I see where I may have gone wrong modesty-wise and it alarms me. This morning I found a pretty flowered materninty shirt that hangs loosly around my belly and I feel lovely. (The only one in my closet. I will be sewing more this week.) I also plan to speak with hubby about this issue and hear what he has to say.
Again, thank you for helping me see the light and showing me one more way I can fight against the Feminism that is creeping into my life and the lives of my daughters.
But now, another question. You said,”Her condition, and to some measure her appearance, is the exclusive business of her husband.” Also, “He has personal concern with your belly, but others don’t. So, why should other men be made so aware of what’s none of their business.”
My question: How is the belly different than her breasts? I say this because I have read elsewhere on your blog that it is more desireable for the breasts to be two distinct breasts instead of one big busom. So, wearing the right style of bra- how it seperates the breasts into two -is the best way to display them.
I am confussed. If the breasts are the “exclusive business of her husband” why would you also encourage us to ‘show them off to the best advantage’? Should not women do what the conservative Mennonites do? (They wear a bib-style dress over their bust to hide all shape.)
Perhaps I have missunderstood you. I eagerly await your reply.
Ps. Thank you for the compliments. You’ve made my day.
1mother5sisters6daughters,
You exhibit such humility and grace as you consider Sir Guy’s suggestions in this area (where we would all call you the expert!). Thanks for the great example of a teachable spirit.
Sincerely,
Sarah
Thank you Sarah,
Sir Guy has taught me so much. I trust his judgment. So far my hubby has agreed with all that I have learned and all the changes I have implemented into our lives. This gives me even more confidence in what Sir Guy teaches.
Since I have not yet found a wise, older women to be my mentor in these things I am so please to have found this site.
Thanks for your encouragment.
Your Highness 1mother5sisters6daughters,
I missed some of your questions last week. To recover I quote you for context.
You said, “Her condition, and to some measure her appearance, is the exclusive business of her husband.” Also, ‘He has personal concern with your belly, but others don’t. So, why should other men be made so aware of what’s none of their business.’
“My question: How is the belly different than her breasts? I say this because I have read elsewhere on your blog that it is more desireable for the breasts to be two distinct breasts instead of one big busom. So, wearing the right style of bra- how it seperates the breasts into two -is the best way to display them.
“I am confussed. If the breasts are the “exclusive business of her husband” why would you also encourage us to ‘show them off to the best advantage’? Should not women do what the conservative Mennonites do? (They wear a bib-style dress over their bust to hide all shape.)”
My response: The pregnant belly is very different view through male eyes. It represents what’s already done, someone else’s handiwork. It isn’t virtuous, because men admire the father rather than the enlarged mother. Sorry if it sounds crass, but it’s the masculine nature.
Breasts are a quite different matter. Presented in an appealing fashion, they are admirable and therefore constitute virtue in male eyes. They are a prospective challenge.
Why show breasts off to best advantage? To get masculine attention, which earns respect for single females and envy of husbands of well-admired wives. Men automatically respect uniqueness and what they want but can’t have. It’s the fallout of the natural phenomena that people don’t appreciate what they are given for nothing.
Your delightful correspondence didn’t deserve my missing your questions.
Guy
Thank you Guy and you are graciously forgiven. (smiles) Actually, no offence was taken whatsoever.
I see what you are saying and actually had come to those conclusions myself over the past few days.
I love to hear what I never knew about men. Now I know that they view pregnant bellies differently than women do. Knowledge is power for me in this regard. Thanks again.
I find it commical that guys will describe a girl by her height and boob size while we women will describe her by her face, hair color, what she was wearing, also her height, etc, but we seldom, if ever, mention her breast size. When I asked my hubby about his way of describing women, he just said with a grin, “leave us men alone. You’ll never understand.”
Made me laugh. I’m glad I can joke about it with him. I’m glad I can let him look at beautiful women without him worrying that I would be offended. I appreciate beauty. He may too. I know and am assured that he does his best to not let his viewing turn to lust and I respect him for that.
Just thinking aloud here, but I wonder if wearing a shirt such as Jill describes (so tight that the popping belly button show through) could be akin to wearing a tight shirt without a bra. Way, way, way, too much showing, even though “covered”…? Whereas analagous to “two distinct breasts” (in a bra), could be like the pregnant belly being clothed in something more form-fitting than a trash bag or pillow case, but NOT so form fitting that the distinct and perfect roundness shows through (such that perfect strangers can walk up and say things like, “Clearly the baby is dropping!” or “My! You’re carrying high!” because they can see the shape SO well!)
Thanks. I think that answers my question fairly well. Its funny that I should find out that, while I was wearing cami’s to hide cleavage and long skirts to hide legs, I was still being immodest by wearing tight fitting T-shirts.
I must have confused people by the mixed message I was sending.
Oh, dear Mama, I would be very surprised if you confused anyone!! You sound like such a lovely person. I imagine you are merely refining gracefulness and upgrading elegance!
Thank you for your encouragment.
I am always eager to learn more on how to be a virtuous wife and mother and I value the opinions of others who are wiser than I am.
The tight-fitting T-shirt tops I’ve seen young pregnant mothers wearing in the past few years have always bothered me — totally lacking feminine mystery or subtlety. I remember when a girlfriend once borrowed a maternity outfit of mine for the duration of her pregnancy. She told me she felt so feminine in it, and she thought that she was actually treated differently when wearing it, because men opened doors for her. (I still remember it fondly: summery soft cotton, blue and white gingham check pants with matching top — elbow-length sleeves, round neckline, tucks at the yoke, with lower part softly gathered and flowing in front to cover belly, and long enough in back to cover bottom.) Another favorite was a classic, sleeveless, black A-line, with high, round neckline, “roomy” in the front to accommodate the expansion throughout most of the pregnancy. Sir Guy has further illuminated here the reasons the current styles have seemed so troubling to me.
The prevailing (very coarse) attitude now seems to be, “If you’ve got it, flaunt it” so that if you aren’t flaunting it, people think you must be ashamed of it. The idea of keeping something hidden because it is too precious to share with all and sundry doesn’t occur to very many people anymore.
This may be a bit off topic because it’s not about dressing during pregnancy, but reading this post reminded me of an aunt of mine, around 40 years old, who had the habit of walking around her home (ours too, when visiting), dressed in nothing but loose T-shirt and panties. No shorts, no pants, no skirt, not even pajama bottoms. My father and brother always looked askance at her because they considered her too casual and rather badly brought up. One day, while she was with us, a neighbor of ours dropped in unexpectedly to say hello, make conversation, and procrastinate a little bit on his yardwork. Luckily the sofa she was sitting on had an afghan draped over the back and she barely had time to grab it and spread it over her lap before he walked into the room. Without having to discuss it, we thought this a great opportunity to teach her a lesson, so we offered our neighbor drinks, snacks, made lots of conversation, even turned the TV on to watch sports. He is a talkative, gregarious man, so it didn’t take much encouragement from us to persuade him to stay almost the whole afternoon. My aunt was forced to sit rooted to that one spot on the sofa for 3+ hours so he wouldn’t realize she was only half-dressed. She made a beeline to the bathroom the second he left, and from that day to this, she always wears bottoms of some kind with her T-shirts when lounging around our house.
Ha, ha, ha! What a hilarious and brilliant story! I have some one in my family like that as well. After reading your story, I’m inspired to take action.
Thank you, Elizabeth.