2517. Pastors, Priests, and Preachers


Were it not for women, Christianity would have probably died years ago under the Progressive agenda in America. Pastors, priests, and preachers act contrary to what congregants desire to happen in the political arena. Their failure to act means they don’t recognize what women in their congregations and parishes want and expect, or they are too chicken to fight to retain religious freedom.

http://www.wallbuilders.com/downloads/WhatChristiansWantPastorstoPreachAbout.pdf ]

It may be time to fight the political battle as the only way to save the Christian church. Politicians won’t save it, women can’t save it, and Christian leaders lack interest in fighting to save it.  Oh, I know about the threat that clerics fear. The (L.B.) Johnson amendment of 60 or so years ago says churches will lose their tax-exempt status for speaking about election matters from the pulpit. Perhaps it is time to pay taxes, to get a bigger foot in the secularist controlled door, a better seat at the Progressive table—money is their power.

Mega churches can afford to pay taxes just by spending less on monstrous building and glorifying structure, entertainment, and status. I know, the latter is credited with bringing in all the money, but I do not believe it. If and when they should pay taxes, they can also lobby for lower tax rates, which can help their brothers in lesser pulpits. (I am not naïve enough to believe it will happen before it is imposed by government, which means they will never get a seat at the power tables and Christianity will be dissolved in political acid.)

Regardless, for another legal reason, little hope exists for overturning the regulation, and I don’t know the outcome of that Sunday multi-pastor ‘revolt’. But no matter, Christianity needs more backbone shown in the political arena. The past is relevant

Men conquered this country from Atlantic to Pacific but women civilized it. American wives melded the values of two male-dominated religions with constitutional freedoms of free men into what used to be our female-governed Judeo-Christian culture. They took little power from men in the process. They used table and pillow talk to preach about the improvements needed at their husband’s job to make society consistent with female expectations; that is, to make our country more female-, child-, and family-friendly.

A unified womanhood of wives bent on making a better society changed slowly but indelibly the cultural values that men followed in both workplace and society. By the 1950s men were quite satisfied to live by those female values, standards, and expectations that made up the culture and guided all of us in a unified and peaceful society.

Pulpit occupiers now stand aside waiting for others to lead the way, as if they are not leaders, as if their pulpits are not defensive weapons. Who better knows Christian interests, threats, and tolerance to them?

They act as though God will provide with them doing nothing but preaching to congregants about peaceful relationships or biblical specificity. (Just this morning I heard a sermon aimed perfectly at theological students, but no food for me.) They endorse the female motto that love conquers everything, that love will overcome. Do we see progress? Do we see men acting like men or women? Advocates or wusses? Defenders of the crown of thorns or band aid distributors? Or falling to their knees not to pray but to dodge standing up for what is right, proper, religiously sane, and politically necessary?

God gave us the church to keep us on the good track of life. If the modern church were a locomotive, the pastors, priests, and preachers are not maintaining the rails and ties ahead of the engine. As Christians just wanting to cruise as law-abiders on our personal train, we are about to be dumped onto where the track has not been laid.

By inaction, Christian leaders wish followers would believe that without leaders’ involvement in daily politics, Christianity will nevertheless survive both 1) the attacks currently aimed at political destruction of our religion and religious freedom, and 2) modification of Christian beliefs through anti-Christian cultural change.

Anti-Christian and anti-American trends work directly and daily in D.C. against those who lead congregants from the pulpit. Responding as if enslaved, political silence prevails. Christian leaders are endowed with freedom too, but self-victimized by the IRS looking over their shoulders.

It is being tried but with too-slow success. When will Christian denominations find common ground upon which to unify and fight against the political enemies of both religion and the church? (A bold effort is underway for Israel but not the U.S. although David Barton at Wallbuilders has resurrected The Black Robed Regiment of Revolutionary days.)

If the pastors don’t find common ground to unify themselves into one political influence, how can their congregants? How can Christianity prevail without collective leadership since, as we can see every day, we as individuals stand no chance, While the lions and coliseum may be figurative these days, other things may be equivalent. Ask the Christians in Islamic countries.

Can pastors, priests, and preachers not work together politically without getting into theological differences? Are they that dumb, power-stricken, or such theological purists. Regardless of cause, they defer without dispute to the opinions and actions of elite secularists and progressives out to destroy Christianity and change the American culture to godlessness? They have already enabled the principle of morality to be killed by ignoring wives and mothers over the past few decades.

As Tocqueville said about Americans, “[M]orality is the work of woman.” If marriage dies, families bust up, fewer wives exist to coach husbands to restore morality. The morality bucket is already less than half full and the wives and mothers who normally fill it are dying off. If morality is of such little concern to pastors—heard any sermons lately on that subject alone?— then society has little beneficial purpose in Christianity. So, why be a Christian except in the home and heart of individuals, where it just makes a Christian different and prime subject for persecution. As Franklin said at the signing of the Declaration of Independence, “We must, indeed, all hang together or, most assuredly, we shall all hang separately.” Persecution also works much like that.

From what they are allowing to happen in America without influence from the pulpit, our pastors, priests, and preachers indirectly contribute to the demise of Christianity, their jobs, religious freedom, and our freedom-loving lives.

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NOTE: I have just wasted my Sunday afternoon; it’s only a rant but I had to get it off my chest.  Human nature and historical politics tells me this. As with others, when persecution starts, those at the top escape as best they can and leave followers to cope as best they can. Every man for himself. So, Christian leaders are the first to sell out and far too few will tackle the Christian-demeaning and Christianity-destroying power structure. Phrased differently, martyrs are extinct, when prosperity abounds. We are, are we not, importing non-Christians and leaving persecuted Christians to die? Where is the march of the clerics on Capital Hill?

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18 responses to “2517. Pastors, Priests, and Preachers

  1. “I have just wasted my Sunday afternoon; it’s only a rant but I had to get it off my chest.”

    Not at all, even your rants are charming and thought provoking! I have great faith that all will be well, I suppose because we have been told, “upon this rock I shall build my church and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.” I believe that with total conviction.

    The much maligned Apostle Paul had a lovely relationship with women in the early church. There is Priscilla, and Lydia, the woman with the purple cloth. Together they were able to build something remarkable under great adversity. The road might get bumpy here and there, but we’re on a path to victory and I know who wins in the end. I peeked at the final chapter. 🙂

  2. spinningarrowx

    I’m a long-time reader but never really felt the need to join the comments before.

    Although I agree with the vast majority of your posts, I disagree that Christianity needs to be so important in bringing back morality in society.

    I know the US is generally more religious than the UK (where I live), but I don’t think religion is necessary to create people of high values and morality. If people focused on their spirituality and discovering their true male and female natures, combined with reading a LOT of this blog content, then religions such as Christianity are’t really necessary.

    Therefore I find the past couple of posts, although interesting from a non-religious perspective, to be a little less important than many others which have been covered on this wonderful blog.

    Your Highness Spinningarrowx,

    Welcome aboard. It’s a great day when another pretty woman joins us on this cruise to WhatWomenNeverHear.

    I respect your opinion and thank you for reporting it. But methinks you very young.

    Western civilization was erected on the foundation of Christianity. It rose to greatness because of high values and morality that held various cultures together but as separate entities made tighter by competition. Then, political enemies brought us multiculturalism, and proponents and advocates continue to force us to drift apart over inconsequential differences and now we fight over issues purposely made more prominent.

    Nowadays, societies decline, cultures decline, the goodness of people declines. Tocqueville said the reason America is good is that the people are good. Brits are no less good when their foundation is strengthened by what started it, Christianity.

    Now, Western civilization is being invaded, overrun, and submerged within a new culture of hate, persecution, and destruction. Is there a connection between the decline and the crumbling of the Christian foundation that not only permits but enables the invasion of those threatening to kill all non-believers?

    Other than the West, where does goodness and high value morality show up in the sterling fashion that used to pervade the West? It does not just happen because of good intentions. People do not get along that way; they need structure if they are to avoid force and violence to impose that force.

    You say, “If people focused on spirituality…etc.” —and I appreciate your crediting the blog—but people DON’T do as you think they might. History proves they don’t. Just as children need structure in their lives, adults need structure and the best is that found in the West called rule of law that specifically excludes the rule of man, theologians, and dictators.

    Guy

    • anon...

      its odd that she said that, since the UK created the KJV BIBLE!!
      and i’ve heard, somewhere that KJ, may have created the UK….

      THE UK is further downhill because of the way they act recently IMO

    • mochachoc

      I’m curious to know where you think “high values and morality” actually come from if not from an absolute transcendent personal God. And what is “spirituality” today if not a nebulous free for all, catch all phrase which ultimately means nothing. True Christianity is needed more than ever. Humans have a tendency to default to doing what is immoral, low value behaviour. It is God who reminds us how far removed we are from goodness and how much we need His help.

      I would like to encourage you to get a hold of Nancy Pearcey’s books: Total Truth and Finding Truth. Your openness comes across I hope you maintain it while reading these books.

      With blessings
      from a fellow Brit

      Your Highness Mochachoc,
      Welcome aboard. It’s a great day when another pretty woman joins us on this cruise to WhatWomenNeverHear.
      Guy

      • Cinnamon

        I want to affirm what Sir Guy and Mochachoc say. As a recent article from Hungary Today states:

        “As a member of the European People’s Party, Hungary’s ruling centre-right Fidesz party is committed to preserving the ‘civilisational rules of Christianity’ and stands for a society based on the family because ‘this is the only form of society that guarantees human dignity’, Speaker of the National Assembly László Kövér had told a Polish Catholic weekly….

        Citing József Antall, Hungary’s first Prime Minister following the transition to democracy in 1990, Mr. Kövér said that due to Europe’s Christian cultural heritage, on the continent even atheists are in fact Christians because Western civilisation’s values impact the thinking, language and behaviour of all of us.”

        http://hungarytoday.hu/news/hungary-committed-preserving-christian-civilisation-house-speaker-tells-polish-weekly-13319

        All that is good in Europe is a result of our Judeo-Christian heritage yet Christianity is being systematically eradicated root and branch from Europe, especially in places like Ireland, Poland, and Malta (all Christian countries which up until quite recently refused to cede power to secularism). I believe this will lead to civil war sooner rather than later, and for future generations a nightmare of epic proportions. Yet I (who am childless) seem to care far more about this fact than most parents I meet, who just want to go shopping/count their money/socialise/go on holiday/brag about their kids’ accomplishments. The mind really does boggle.

        • anon...

          This COULD BE why Europe is having a CRISIS WITH ISLAMISTS…
          IMO, the only reason they are getting away with this, is that the CHURCH IS WEAK, many families in the west AREN’T EVEN FORMED, only women getting pregnant for a few generations.. So there really are FEW WIVES pushing back the RANCID culture in the first place—
          the only way, is for young women and men to get MARRIED…

          • Cinnamon

            Anon,

            Yes, the Church is very weak in Europe- this weakening of the edifice has set the stage for a collapse followed by a descent into lawlessness, long in the planning.

            The agenda to accomplish the same in the U.S. is much further advanced than most people, distracted with consumerism and economic survival, realise. A good crash course on this is the DVDs “Agenda 1: Grinding America Down” and “Agenda 2: Masters of Deceit.”

            • Meow Meow

              ITA Anon and Cinnamon. although I don’t think its an agenda so much as the result of poor planning and choices the result is the same. Its on us to deal with the repercussions. Its easy to blame others (Sure, some people always want to boss others around/control them) but lets try not give away our power or our part in this….
              (Regarding the economic crisis) One thing I do is….just actually talk about it to others. I am amazed how many people open up in conversation about their feelings of struggle, despair, desperation. When the recession first started many people felt they had to just keep a “Stiff upper Lip” which although appropriate, at the end of the day made them feel alone and more despairing. In my circle of friends and acquaintances there were multiple suicides, divorces, financially motivated moves to other areas in an effort to escape the economic despair. My husband basically checked out of our marriage (His response to rampant unemployment.) Neighbors I shall never forget helped us to buy food…..I gave back later when I could….Acknowledging their troubles helped people to see it wasn’t just about their personal failings or flaws, and I’ve had many conversations with other people that seemed to help us both jam on ways to get by, survive, attitudes that helped, seeing ourselves in the context of history, etc. but mainly not see ourselves as alone/powerless.

              • Miss Gina

                Lady MeowMeow,

                While I believe that at various times in history, including possibly now, there have been those bent on gaining power overtly and manipulating events behind the scenes, I like your take on claiming our power and working together to get through. Nobody can do something to us without us allowing it. (At least let it be said that we put up a fight.) I think that spirit of working together forged during the Great Depression helped us to make it through World War II.

                Your Highness Miss Gina,

                “Nobody can do something to us without us allowing it.”

                Sorry, darling, but I think that statement has already been made obsolete since the turn of the century. We the people no longer have much to say about what is happening. Enough representatives at every level have either betrayed us or lost their influence due to failure to be bought off. That’s why I added the new theme to the blog; we the people are more helpless than ever before at setting the values and standards by which we live.

                Guy

              • Cinnamon

                Meow Meow,
                I agree with much of what you say, and in fact addressed the subject recently in a comment to article 2510. Here is what I wrote :

                “Although marriage, family, and homemaking are demeaned regularly by the Left this is not the case in conservative realms, at least in my experience. In fact, in many Christian circles today family life is elevated to such an excessive degree as to almost become an idol in itself. This elevation is not Biblical, although it is almost universally held in Christian women’s circles to be so. I’ve observed that the false idols of prosperity, consumerism, material comfort, and careerism (directed mainly toward husband and adult children) usually go hand in hand with this thinking. I see this trend as an example of the excessive individualism that both Tocqueville and Solzhenitsyn warned would become the gravest threat to American freedom.

                I wish I could say that building strong families is enough, but my view is that the wolf is now at the door and that Christians need to not only love our families as ourselves but to actually take a further step and start loving our neighbour as ourselves even when this requires great sacrifice. It means building genuine Christian community in whatever form that extends beyond our own families, and realising that consoling ourselves with fat bank balances and personal ambition achieved (whether for self/husband/children/grandchildren) will not prevent our grandchildren from becoming slaves.”

                Most people (whether Christian or not) will give lip service to the importance of the precept “love your neighbour as yourself,” but life has taught me (in fact, it is the most profound lesson I have learned) that only a very tiny few will actually put it into practice in a meaningful way. Nothing expresses this better than the poem by Naomi Shahib Nye called “Kindness.”

      • Meow Meow

        Great Americans who bettered the world around them with their wit, accomplishments, and powerhouse thought include great agnostics/atheists such as Thomas Edison, Mark Twain, Benjamin Franklin, Thomas Jefferson and Abraham Lincoln. Clearly, one does not have to be a Christian to be a good person or at least a contributing member of society and there have been those that call themselves Christian who have performed awful deeds both in our nation’s past and presently. (We really, really don’t want to live in an oligarchy or imply that only those who are religious should hold public office and Sir Guy is not suggesting that either when he states the Rule of Law also excludes theologians. That would truly be un-American and we can see the results of that line of thinking in other parts of the world.) Great atrocities were committed in our nation’s past by people who used religious belief as an excuse to decimate other cultures.
        Some brave religious people sought to bring hope to the suffering, or change unjust policies. Those, I’d call truly “Christian”–lights in the dark.

        That being said, many if not most of our country’s greatest ideals are clearly based on a foundation of the best of Judeo-Christian principles (mixed with Native American ideas about the Creator/Natural Law) and without those overarching basic principles, concepts of womens/civil rights, the Constitution and many more of the US’s best accomplishments might never have happened. We are and always will be a work in progress because the rule of (I will say Natural) Law supersedes the whimsical ever-changing rule of Man/kings/individual religious leaders, and gives us something greater than ourselves to look up to, and try to embody, and that is a good thing. I am not a Christian, but i live in a country that is strong for having these core values of basic rights and decency/fair treatment written into law (if not always carried out in practice.)

        • anon...

          Not all were atheists.. Lincoln wasn’t, and Jefferson wasn’t either…although he condensed a bible of the four GOSPELS into ONE

          • Meow Meow

            I include agnostics as well as atheists in the above comment, and Jefferson was a deist at most who if he truly believed at all did not believe that god intervened in human affairs (and he did not believe in miracles.) Lincoln was highly critical of organized Christianity as well (Was not Christian or at least not until late in life from what we know) and I would put him under the “Agnostic” category at a minimum (I don’t mean to get deeply into “angels dancing on the head of a pin” cherry picking, but many of our early politicians were not what is thought of when we say ‘Christian” today in the sense that many didn’t believe in a personal relationship with God/Jesus or that God had an active role in the doings/concerns of man.) In that sense more like the Native American idea of the Creator. America is a big enough place that it has room for great thinkers of all stripes and part of the greatness of these early Americans was their ability to understand the important concepts and greater values that Judeo-Christian thought embodied, even if they did NOT directly apply them in their personal life….(Jefferson owning slaves etc.)

            • Miss Gina

              Natural Law was a concept that arose from Western Christian philosophy and was embodied in Western thought for many centuries before the settlement of America. There may have been a similar concept in some particular American Indian culture. Each native culture was different.

              The thing about Franklin, Jefferson, and Lincoln was that they openly and actively subscribed to and lived by basic Christian principles (Ten Commandments, Golden Rule) as opposed to those of some other religion.

              Lincoln did make a profession of faith during his presidency; this quote came from his earlier campaign literature: “That I am not a member of any Christian Church, is true; but I have never denied the truth of the Scriptures; and I have never spoken with intentional disrepect of religion in general, or of any denomination of Christians in particular.”
              Handbill Replying to Charges of Infidelity on July 31, 1846 (CWAL I:382) (abrahamlincolnonline.org)

              • Meow Meow

                The Iroquois tribe native to the area colonized by the founding fathers (and thus relevant to religious/political discussions of the time—) believed in a monotheistic religion centered on an unknowable, benevolent creator who set the world in motion, very similar to deist belief. This similarity initially made for more of an understanding/respect and communication on many levels between the Iroquois and the European arrivals.The deist idea of a natural, largely impersonal God who set the earth in motion but does not involve itself in day-to-day human struggles/affairs is also very close to atheism and agnosticism. (God in this view as an unknowable force of nature beyond Man’s comprehension, and not answerable or explainable to anyone.) Christian Deists think that Jesus’s teachings have great value, and that he was a great moral teacher and person but don’t believe he (or anyone else) was holy/divine/the physical actual Son of God or performed miracles.

                The word “Christian” in Christian Deism simply means that they believe there is great value in Jesus’s teachings, and try to live by or at least consider them, not that he is/was divine. i’m not sure how many people today really differentiate between say, modern evangelical concepts of Christianity and the deist beliefs of Franklin/Jefferson/Lincoln without which we would live in a very different nation. Political rhetoric to inspire troops or the populace aside, Jefferson and Lincoln made deeply critical, even inflammatory remarks about Christianity—criticism that was often warranted when hypocrisy was rampant. (Jefferson was also heavily influenced by rational Enlightenment thought.) From what is known, Lincoln only came to Christianity late in life (As Miss Gina wrote, during his presidency, and after the death of his son.) He did of course, live and grow up in a society informed by Christian values, and that is where my main point lies: whether an individual person has a belief in or relationship with Jesus is not as important as that the society maintains Judeo-Christian ideals of fairness and morality as a whole. Therefore an atheist/agnostic/nonbeliever can exist in such a society and be a “good” person by supporting/living out these laws and ideals: In that Natural Law is the foundation and thus strong enough to tolerate variations in individual belief. The progress of our nation as it has become more inclusive and tries to meet the ideals written into the Constitution is inspiring…even though in practice we often fall short.

                I don’t wish to hijack Sir Guy’s blog as there are far better writers than us who have addressed the subject of religious beliefs of historical figures: but even for non-Christian people who do not see Jesus as actually divine, his teachings and ideas (rooted in Jewish belief) still help form a great foundation and moral backbone for a just society.

                Your Highness Meow Meow,
                Don’t worry about hijacking the blog. I opened the subject of restoration, and I retain the option to delete.
                Guy

  3. 1jarofclay

    Dear Sir Guy,

    Men are never more handsome than when they help women connect life’s dots.

    May the Lord bless you abundantly for the wonderful service that you provide through this amazing blog.

    Sincerely,
    Magnolia

  4. Miss Gina

    Thank you, Sir Guy, for rightfully taking ministers of the Gospel to task.

    While I appreciate the pastors at my church very much, it took a recent visit from a minister from Africa for the explicit message to be spoken from the pulpit that we would have to deal with our sin to find restoration.

    I hope and pray that American pastors find their way here and rise to your challenge.

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