2620. Response to Edith Mcklveen at Post 2618


EDITOR’S NOTE: Her original comment is lower case, GUY’S RESPONSE IN CAPS.

YOUR HIGHNESS EDITH MCKLVEEN,

NOTHING WRONG. I ADMIRE YOUR THINKING ABOUT SHACK UP. YOU PROVIDE A NEW OPPORTUNITY TO DISTINGUISH THE NATURE OF HOW MEN ARE BORN FROM THE LESSONS THEY LEARN IN LIFE. FOR THE FORMER, THEY ARE FAULTLESS. FOR THE LATTER, THEY CAN BE BLAMED, BUT WOMEN FAIL THEMSELVES WHEN THEY DO SO.

PARENTHETICALLY, THE FEMALE ADOPTION OF MASCULINE-STYLE SEXUAL FREEDOM HAS DISTORTED FEMALE THINKING ABOUT MEN. AS THE LEFTIST POLITICAL CLASS PLANNED HALF A CENTURY AGO, MEN AND WOMEN ARE NOW ENEMIES. PERHAPS I CAN SOFTEN SOME OF THE WRONG-HEADED NOTIONS THAT ARISE OUT OF THAT.

WWNH does women a great service by making crystal clear certain basic truths of male-female relationships.  THANKS

This service is absolutely necessary since modern women, in American culture and other cultures, are not being taught these basic truths as they once were. TRUE

This article [2618] makes clear yet again why sex outside marriage is so bad and detrimental to women.

ABSOLUTELY BAD AND DETRIMENTAL AND IT PROMOTES MALES DISRESPECTING AND DOMINEERING FEMALES. BECAUSE THEY HAVE BEEN TURNED INTO ENEMIES, THE PHYSICALITY OF MEN  DOMINATES THE MENTAL ACUITY OF WOMEN AND SOCIETY LOSES IT’S COMPASS AND THE CULTURE WANDERS WITHOUT DIRECTION UNDER THE INFLUENCE OF FEMININE ORDER.

But this particular [SHACK UP] post adds an aspect of male behavior that, for me, actually undercuts the WWNH assertion that men are very practical and rational and wham, bam, thank you ma’am about sex.

AS ARE WOMEN, MEN ARE ALWAYS PRACTICAL AND RATIONAL TO THEMSELVES. IF THERE’S NOTHING WORTHWHILE TO LEAVE BEHIND, THEN POKE, COME, AND GO ARE VERY PRACTICAL AND RATIONAL TO BOTH GENDERS. BUT WOMEN AFTER SEX USUALLY HAVE SOMETHING WORTHWHILE NOT TO LEAVE BEHIND.

IF WOMEN FIND IT IMPRACTICAL AND IRRATIONAL TO DEAL WITH POKE, COME, AND GO, THEY HAVE THE COMPETITIVE ABILITY TO MAKE MEN PAY AN ADVANCE PRICE OF SELF-INVESTMENT, SUCH AS MARRIAGE. EVEN IF MEN CAN’T, WON’T, OR DON’T, BOTH GENDERS ARE BORN TO COMPETE TO GET THEIR WAY WITH OTHERS. WHOEVER DOMINATES THAT PROCESS, WINS IN THE END.

YOUR ASSERTION THAT WWNH UNDERCUTS ITSELF RESTS ON THE PRESUMPTION THAT THE MALE NATURE CANNOT BE DISTINGUISHED FROM LESSONS LEARNED IN LIFE. MEN SHOULD BE HELD AT FAULT ONLY FOR LESSONS LEARNED. IT’S THE MALE NATURE THAT GOD CREATED AND THAT WOMEN MUST PRIMARILY WORK WITH AND EXPLOIT THEIR OWN NATURE DOING SO. THAT IS, IF WOMEN HOPE TO SUCCEED IN FULFILLING THEIR HOPES AND DREAMS.

My view of a man who would be “desperate” to start co-habiting or to continue by shameless manipulation is that he is not merely or only doing the natural male thing.

YOU’RE RIGHT, THOSE ARE LESSONS LEARNED. MEN BY NATURE ARE NOT DESPERATE ABOUT WOMEN. THEY LEARN THAT SHAMELESS MANIPULATION CAN REWARD WITH A SMALL INVESTMENT OF SELF.

He is actually doing something that is warped, that is immature, that actually denies the male-female realities WWNH reminds women of.

EXAMPLES SET BY POOR PARENTING AND IMMATURE TEEN PEERS WARP THE MALE MIND. VALUES AND STANDARDS ADOPTED IN ADOLESCENCE GENERATE IMMATURITY. MASCULINE-STYLE SEXUAL FREEDOM MAKES ADULTOLESCENTS OF MEN.

Co-habitation reinforces for men an immature, actually pre-adolescent view of life. It’s the view that ignores the reality of the existence of women.

JUSTIFIED BY SEXUAL FREEDOM, WOMEN REFUSE TO EARN THE RESPECT OF MEN BY WITHHOLDING CONQUEST. WOMEN ARE CONSEQUENTLY SEEN AS UNRESPECTABLE, UNDESIRABLE EXCEPT FOR SEX, AND TO BE USED AS TOOLS OF MALE PLEASURE. AND THAT’S BEFORE THEY GO OVERWEIGHT AND LOSE THE REST OF MALE INTEREST FOR MARRIAGE.

It’s the [PRE-ADOLESCENT] view that says pleasure and power can be obtained by being persistent, clever, and overwhelming, and responsibility for properly handling pleasure and power can be discarded the moment that responsibility starts to limit enjoyment of pleasure and power.

BOTH SEXES ARE BORN TO GET THEIR WAY WITH THE OTHER. WOMEN USE THEIR FREE WILL TO DISCARD RESPONSIBILITY AS MEN DO; EXAMPLE: WHEN A WOMAN YIELDS TO  CONQUEST OFTEN AGAINST HER BETTER JUDGMENT.

Whether they are gay or straight, it doesn’t matter.  It’s just the male way, built on DNA, hormones, and brain wiring.

I SEE THE POWER/PLEASURE INTERACTION AS COMPETITION, NEGOTIATING, AND THUS NATURAL TO BOTH GENDERS. POWER IS THE PROCESS OF MEN DEALING WITH WOMEN, ENTERTAINMENT IS THE SYSTEM AND PLEASURE OF WHAT WOMEN OFFER WHEN DEALING WITH MEN. NEGOTIATION CALLS FOR BALANCE, BUT MEN LEARN HOW TO DEFEAT WOMEN WHEN WOMEN DON’T LIVE UP TO THEIR DNA, HORMONES, AND BRAIN WIRING.

But I am at a point in my life where I am coming to see that men who function this way are actually not functioning as men were made to function.

MEN ARE FOLLOWING THEIR NATURE TO THE CORE WHEN WOMEN FAIL TO FOLLOW THEIR NATURE TO THE CORE. BOTH SEXES ARE BORN TO BE COMPATIBLE AS MATES AND WILLING AND ABLE TO COMPETE TO GET THEIR WAY. WHEN ONE GOES ASTRAY, THE OTHER FOLLOWS BY TAKING ADVANTAGE. BY FOLLOWING THEIR NATURES, THEY MATCH UP PRETTY EVENLY, AND IT’S A DRAW THAT EARNS MUTUAL RESPECT.

For purposes of teaching and reinforcing WWNH ideas, it is very helpful to isolate instinctive male behavior and look at it separate from female behavior, but that behavior in the real world is not separated from female behavior.

I THOROUGHLY ISOLATE INSTINCTIVE FEMALE MOTIVATION AS WELL AS MALE. SO, AT WWNH, FEMALE BEHAVIOR IN THE REAL WORLD IS NOT SEPARATED FROM MALE BEHAVIOR. I GO FURTHER, MATCH THEIR NATURES AS COMPATIBLE, AND IDENTIFY DIFFERENT MOTIVATIONS AS THEY LEARN DIFFERENT LESSONS IN LIFE.

Men who consistently act as if their male behavior is meant to exist independent and uninfluenced by female behavior . . .

Those are not men as God intends them to be.

YOU MUST MEAN IN RELATION TO WOMEN. NEITHER SEX STANDS ALONE. GOD CREATED A SPECIES THAT HAS TO PERPETUATE ITSELF OR PERISH, AND HE WOULDN’T DO THAT OR WE WOULD HAVE BEEN GONE MILLENNIA AGO. INSTEAD, WE’VE BECOME THE MOST SUCCESSFUL SPECIES, IF WE JUST MEASURE BY EXPLOITATION OF OUR MENTAL ABILITY AND DEVELOPMENT.

Men who use their maleness to get their every selfish desire . . . and who try to try coerce other people when it looks as if what they desire is slipping away . . . those are not truly male men, no matter how much they may look it on the surface.

BOTH SEXES ARE BORN TO COMPETE TO GET THEIR WAY. IF WOMEN ARE LOSING, IT’S NOT THE FAULT OF MEN. IF MEN ARE WINNING, IT’S A PYRRHIC VICTORY, BECAUSE THEY HAVE LOST FAR MORE BY WOMEN LOSING THEIR ABILITY TO HANDLE MEN SUCCESSFULLY IN RELATIONSHIPS.

In my view, however much a man might want sex, if he does not have the ability to patiently wait for it in the context of marriage, and if he is not willing to go into a serious relationship with the idea that it will end in marriage . . . he is no real man.

THAT’S WHY AND HOW WOMEN MAKE REAL MEN. WITHOUT WOMEN NO REAL MAN CAN EXIST, SINCE A WOMAN MEASURES THE REALITY OF A MAN AS SHE THINKS OF HIM AS FIT FOR MATING.

If a man can only be “tricked” into a commitment through a woman’s romantic strategies and is not mature enough to leave her the hell alone if it looks like marriage will not work . . .

SORRY, BUT ROMANTIC STRATEGIES HARNESS WOMEN AND NOT MEN. MEN RELY MORE ON LOGIC, REASON, CURIOSITY, AND IMAGINATION RATHER THAN ROMANTIC FANTASIES THAT MOTIVATE WOMEN TO EXPECT MORE THAN MEN ARE WILLING TO INVEST OF THEMSELVES.

He is not, not, not a man as God intends men to be.

OF COURSE HE IS. HOWEVER, HE’S NOT THE MAN THAT WOMEN OR ONE WOMAN INTENDS HIM TO BE. GOD MADE WOMEN THE GOVERNORS OVER MALE BEHAVIOR. WOMEN ARE ENDOWED WITH THE RELATIONSHIP EXPERTISE, BUT MEN HAVE NOT THE FOGGIEST NOTION OR INTEREST IN HOW TO CREATE, BUILD, OR MANAGE RELATIONSHIPS THAT LAST (ONLY THOSE BUILT AROUND POKE, COME, AND GO).

However much a woman might want him to be The One, she needs to run as far away from him as possible.  Because it is for sure that she will get hurt if she doesn’t.

IT’S WHY GOD MADE WOMEN SO MAGNIFICENTLY ENDOWED TO IDENTIFY, SCREEN, AND REFUSE TO ASSOCIATE WITH THOSE FROM WHOM SHE SHOULD RUN. IF SHE DOESN’T, WHY BLAME MEN?

SHE HAS ALL THE RELATIONSHIP TALENT. SHE HOLDS THE COUPLE/FAMILY UNIT TOGETHER. HE HAS ALL THE HARD-WORK TALENT. HE IS DESIGNED AND HORMONALLY FITTED TO KEEP A RELATIONSHIP PROVIDED, PROTECTED, PROVISIONED, AND WITH PROBLEMS SOLVED.

EXPECT MORE OR SOMETHING ELSE, WITHOUT FIRST RAISING HIM AS A BOY AND LATER CONDITIONING HIS THOUGHTS TO FEMALE ADVANTAGE, AND YOU WILL BE SURPRISED BY A MAN’S LIMITATIONS FOR SATISFYING ONE OR MORE WOMEN.

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8 responses to “2620. Response to Edith Mcklveen at Post 2618

  1. jubilee

    “co-habitation reinforced a PRE-ADOLESCENT VIEW OF LIFE??? for males?”
    EXACTLY…. in a way… and could be what some of these modern groups are getting into.. (like pre-adolescent kids are into ‘cooties’ )
    but ‘sexualized into LGBTQ’
    and…. SIR GUY is also right—since the leftist groups started men and women seem to have became ‘enemies’ 50 years ago.. (around late 1966, early 1967)

  2. Magnolia

    Great article!

  3. Miss Gina

    Can you please unpack the last paragraph?

    Your Highness Miss Gina,

    I see why you ask, so thanks. I copy the previous paragraph to revisit the context.

    PREVIOUS: She has all the relationship talent. She holds the couple/family unit together. He has all the hard-work talent. He is designed and hormonally fitted to keep a relationship provided, protected, provisioned, and with problems undergoing solution.

    REWRITE OF LAST PARAGRAPH: If mothers don’t raise boys, girls program boys, and bachelorettes condition men to understand how women want to be treated and satisfied with themselves, then females of every age will discover first hand that men are very limited in such knowledge.

    ADDITIONAL NOTES: Successful couples and families begin and depend upon continuous and meritorious respect, each gender for the other, each male for each female, and each female for each male. The higher the respect they mutually exchange, the greater shines the future for females.

    Old school respect manifested like this. Women respected the male gender more than their own. As a consequence, the reverse was also true. As we witness intergender respect being unearned or ungiven today, competition compounds into making gender enemies, and cooperation that brings special benefits to females becomes lost in social and domestic turmoil.

    Men won’t or don’t respect women who yap all the time at manly inadequacies, can’t respect and depend on their man, and won’t please themselves by appearing attractive most of the time. Women won’t or don’t respect men who dodge responsibility, mistreat females and children, and weaken their dependability with self-centered excesses.

    In their competitive world driven by political objectives, personal opinion supersedes natural obligations. Females have an obligation to spread their love for personal benefit. Males have a judgmental obligation to be fair and circumspect. But neither happens often enough.

    Guy

  4. Sarina

    So much truth, it hurts. I can testify that being a feminist makes a woman bitter inside (obv I’m talking about this 3rd wave feminism). When I blamed men for womanly problems, it was a never-ending circle of fault-finding. The more I moaned, the more things I could find for complaining, once I started hating male habits/behavior, it was hard to stop, no wonder I was so unhappy every single day.

    Sir Guy’s blog came as a blessing. Recently, I’ve been pondering about completely giving up on pop culture, there is so much quality music elsewhere, there’s no point in wasting time with pop singers. What it bothers me the most is how women are always scantily-clad and how they only do sexy dance moves. Guys in pop sing mostly about xrated stuff, there’s no variety in their music theme. Pop, whether from US or different parts of the world, is a woman’s enemy because they don’t let a women evolve but keep them as tools or sex targets.

    Your Highness Sarina,
    Your wisdom expands and spreads. When sex is the focus of men, then women, wives, mothers, and fatherhood are not even third or fourth in their agenda priorities. But you have to ask yourself, who enables men to focus on sex that accrues to the disrespect, detriment, and deterioration of women and relationships?
    Guy

  5. Jewels

    Sir Guy,

    I feel the more I read your blog and books like “Every Man’s Battle” and “Let Me Be a Woman,” the more hesitant and possibly fearful I become about being married – as much as I want to be – and the more determined I become to have the man or men I date sell me marriage or prove to me that he is really the best man for me.

    Your Highness Jewels,

    Your wisdom expands. You’re the buyer, he’s the seller. He proves himself worthy of you. You prove yourself worthier than he ever expects his wife to be. He wants you so badly—both sexually and for continual association as mate—that he can’t do without you, and you’re only accessible both ways through marriage.

    His participation in that model programs his heart and mind to be devoted to you, dedicated to marrying you, and proving to himself that he’s doing the right thing. By investing so much time with you as subject, so much effort convincing you of his worth, and so much money to keep togetherness interesting, he seeks to follow his investment in you. The male brain works that way.

    Fear not about yourself. Marriage will find you if you screen enough men. Admittedly, there are far fewer sterling candidates than there used to be when most men expected and actively sought to get married, because most women conditioned both male and female thinking with the model described in first paragraph above.

    I suggest reading more of the blog, particularly articles about virtual virginity, marital compatibility, and love.

    Guy

  6. It is WWNH that has completely opened my eyes to the reality that men do, for so many reasons, instinctively perceive and respond to reality differently than women do. And vice-versa. And it’s the way God made it to be.

    But God did not make men and women to operate in isolation. When this happens, the male and female views of reality of course end up in conflict. Both men and women then spend too much time and energy trying to get the whole of relational reality to function according to their individual male and/or female perceptions.

    The male and female views of reality are meant to work in tandem. When they do, life is great for everyone on so many levels. When they don’t, life sucks for everybody.

    Men and women are of course able to live their lives without each other’s mellowing and/or focusing influences, and they can find some level of “okayness” in functioning alone or functioning with limited exposure to the other sex.

    Guys can distract themselves with self-improvement and home-improvement projects, coin and stamp and wine collections, plans to earn more money, and male friends for whom they do not have to tread lightly and struggle with translating everything into “woman-speak.”

    Women can distract themselves with decorating projects, baking projects, volunteer projects, mani-pedi appointments, trips with children to gymnastic classes and Build-a-Bear workshops, and lunches and dinners with girlfriends who are inevitably more sensitive and more complimentary than any man naturally is.

    But, from my perspective, and the perspective of many others, God did not make human beings to be this way.

    He didn’t mean for there to be two isolated camps living uncommunicative, insensitive, and essentially self-indulgent lives.

    He didn’t make human beings to refuse to interact with the other camp unless the other camp agrees to do things “the right way.”

    Meaning the way they do not instinctively do things, meaning whatever way then allows the other camp to say, “Nanny nanny boo boo, I win.”

    The paradigm I keep seeing in WWNH posts often seems to be one in which, even when men and women are functioning as God meant them to, men and women are still largely in opposite camps.

    Because of the particular gifts God has given women, they can, by patience and indirection and all sorts of other stratagems, lure men out of their camp and convince them (without seeming to) that they (men) should be doing certain things for women and giving them certain things.

    At this point in my life, the fact that men and women hunker down in opposing camps and resort to various stratagems (sometimes winning, often losing) is for me a sign **on both sides** that people are stuck in an adolescent or pre-adolescent view of life.

    In both the male and female camps, it’s all about me and getting what I want. It’s not about esteeming anyone else more highly than myself. It’s not about changing “what can I get out of this” to “what can I give.”

    Feminism has done women no favors by encouraging them to believe that it’s all about me. Self-actualization! That’s the key. And the feminist way for women to get all the feels is to what? Act like men?

    And what happens when women act like men? Men will treat them like . . . not women.

    That is certainly not the way for women to experience what makes the female heart happy. It is certainly the way to experience constant frustration, belittling, indifference, and downright abuse.

    Women who blithely and blindly accept feminist propaganda have nobody but themselves to blame if they shack up with a man and proceed to have a miserable, heart-crushing, soul-deadening experience.

    And it does not do any good to get in a man’s face and enumerate the many ways he has been a deceitful, lying, manipulative, sweet-talking SOB.

    The woman in this situation has ignored reality, put blinders on, and willingly walked into a situation designed to give her nothing she desires and give the man everything he desires.

    My issue is that, whatever the woman’s reason for exposing herself to this damaging experience, any man who wheedles, promises, cajoles, flatters, acts desperate, and otherwise manipulates a naive, stupid, immature woman into shacking up . . . he may be acting like a man, but he is not acting like the man God made him to be. He is not acting as an emotionally and spiritually mature man is meant to act.

    Since it takes two to tango, he is obviously as culpable in his selfishness as the woman is.

    It’s not just her fault for believing feminist crap. It is his fault as well for taking advantage of her idiocy.

    And whether a man is trying to manipulate and plead because he is a confident player or because he is an insecure momma’s boy . . . he is not functioning as a grown, responsible, godly man.

    What I’m saying is that, when women experience any of that bedroom charm or that don’t-leave-me-I-can’t-live-without-you desperation, then no matter what, it is time to run far away because it isn’t a man offering you your dreams on a platter. it is an immature boy pretending.

    And if you think or hope otherwise, you will end up in a world of hurt.

    End of rant.

    Your Highness Edith Mcklveen,
    I like your rant, especially the parts about Feminism.
    Guy

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