1144. Primal Beliefs: Modesty


Reorganized, clarified, and reissued as #1753.

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6 responses to “1144. Primal Beliefs: Modesty

  1. Simplicity Evermore

    Your Perceptiveness Simplicity Evermore,
    Your questions remain in lower case. I add response in caps.
    Guy

    Oh wow. This explains so much. And brings up so many questions.

    “Some males seek to embarrass females. Especially, adolescent males try to learn about life through one girl.” They learn through conquering her inhibitions? Or through how she reacts to their demeaning? BOTH. Or is this how men explore the female nature? NO. IT’S MORE HOW ADOLESCENTS EXPLORE THEIR OWN CAPABILITIES WITH WOMEN.

    (Like how women explore the male nature by putting all men through tests and trials and watching how they relate to other women/men?) NO AGAIN. MEN DON’T SPEND MUCH TIME LEARNING ABOUT THE FEMALE NATURE. THEY FOCUS MOSTLY ON THEIR OWN ABILITY AND TALENT TO MAKE LIFE MATCH THEIR EXPECTATIONS.

    “Men don’t embarrass themselves, and they don’t feel good when they embarrass a female. Oh, they grin or laugh or maybe even plan her discomfort. However, they adjust their behavior in the future, if she reflects deep and sincere modesty. If she sticks to her guns. If she continually refuses to accept offenses to her sense of modesty and standards of dignity and propriety. ”

    Does the planning have to do with the learning of females? the wounding of male ego? Testing? All of the above? NONE, JUST MOSTLY FOR FUN OR TO SHOW OFF.

    Do good men plan the discomfort of women, too? or just adolescent minded men? ADULTOLESCENTS. WE ALL DO WHAT MAKES US FEEL GOOD ABOUT OURSELVES, AND THE IMMATURE DO IT AT THE EXPENSE OF OTHERS. YOU MIGHT USE THAT AS DISTINCTION BETWEEN MATURE AND IMMATURE.

    If both, then is it the manner of discomfort? (as in how low and base they show themselves to be in their carrying out?) Because I think a good man might wait for discomfort to come, whereas an immature man might try and make discomfort. SEE ANSWER ABOVE.

    “As she becomes more like a male and weans herself from embarrassing moments, she becomes less respectable to him. ” What does it say about a man who continually repeats the same embarrasing stuff no matter how much one discourages him? Not enough discouragement? Bad man? Weak woman? ALL OF THE ABOVE. PROVING HIS DOMINANCE BY UNENDING COST TO ANOTHER PERSON REFLECTS LACK OF RESPECT FOR WHATEVER SOCIAL PRESSURES ARE APPLIED TO HIM.

    How is embarrassment defined? As the woman getting uncomfortable and showing it? or merely an expression of disapproval? A woman deliberately doing something which violates her own standards? EMBARRASSMENT IS THE UNCONTROLLED (BUT PERHAPS HIDDEN) DISTURBANCE TO HER BODY CHEMISTRY. IT’S THE IMMEDIATE RESPONSE OF HER HEART TO HER DILEMMA.

  2. Adora

    As the Mother to a housefull of little girls I agree completely with this. Our girls wear below the knee skirts, modest tops and are taught to keep their dresses down and legs together. The boys are taught to look away if a little one forgets herself while playing. Everybody is taught that their body is the temple of the living God, not a cheap commodity. The Man of the House says often “if it’s not for sale then don’t advertise it”.

  3. Grace

    I think that girls are taught this “deep sense of modesty” as they grow up. Babies, toddlers, and small female children aren’t modest at all unless they are told to be. If you don’t raise a girl to be modest then she’ll be immodest. It doesn’t seem inherent at all.

    Your Exceptionalness Grace,
    You’re absolutely correct and a model mother. But I take exception to the last sentence. I’m sure I got this truism a decade ago from Wendy Shalit in Return to Modesty, but I firmly believe it. The fact that females so easily undergo unpreventable facial flushes points clearly to chemical reactions embedded deep within the female body.
    Guy

  4. Sharon

    I love what Adora’s ‘Man of the House’ says, “If it’s not for sale, don’t advertise it.” Even at church, I am appalled at the micro-mini skirts worn by jr. high girls who come from seemingly good, strong families. I always wonder, “What is her dad THINKING?” Grace, I believe that young girls do have an inherent modesty, but peer and media pressures squeeze it out of them. I read “A Return to Modesty” and found a major theme there is that parents need to teach their children to know and understand personal values and set up personal boundaries against the onslaught of the ever-present pressures for immoral (ungodly) living.

  5. HisWayMyWay

    Dearest Sir,

    I would like to recommend another author- Voddie Baucham Jr. -specifically, “Family Driven Faith” and “What He Must Be”

    Your Loveliness HisWayMyWay,
    Thanks. They look like good ones. I like the title of another of his: What He Must Be: …If He Wants to Marry My Daughter.
    Guy

  6. anonymous

    I am shy about sexual things, and whenever boyfriend tries to bring up something sexual regarding me, I blush and refuse to talk about it. It’s not a conscious effort to do this, it’s really how I feel. But boyfriend tries to convince me not to be shy with him and says my shyness is a turnoff. I think he might not find my shyness attractive in the sexual way, but that’s not how I want him to value me, correct? For example, strippers are attractive, they’re not shy at all, but that’s not how I want him to think of me.

    Your Specialness Anonymous,

    If your shyness is a turnoff, he respects his lust more than your modesty. That doesn’t bode well for his assertiions of loving you. Embarrassment or unease is your primary alert system, and modesty is your first defense to slow or stop the unwanted behaviors of males and maintain control over their emotions in your presence. If boyfriend doesn’t respect your modesty as uniquely personal and inviolate to you, then he doesn’t respect you or your feminine nature. It also means his loving words are most likely to be insincere.

    Tell him this: “I play for keeps, and the first thing I keep is my modesty.” Then, see how he responds.

    Guy

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