2620. Response to Edith Mcklveen at Post 2618

EDITOR’S NOTE: Her original comment is lower case, GUY’S RESPONSE IN CAPS.

YOUR HIGHNESS EDITH MCKLVEEN,

NOTHING WRONG. I ADMIRE YOUR THINKING ABOUT SHACK UP. YOU PROVIDE A NEW OPPORTUNITY TO DISTINGUISH THE NATURE OF HOW MEN ARE BORN FROM THE LESSONS THEY LEARN IN LIFE. FOR THE FORMER, THEY ARE FAULTLESS. FOR THE LATTER, THEY CAN BE BLAMED, BUT WOMEN FAIL THEMSELVES WHEN THEY DO SO.

PARENTHETICALLY, THE FEMALE ADOPTION OF MASCULINE-STYLE SEXUAL FREEDOM HAS DISTORTED FEMALE THINKING ABOUT MEN. AS THE LEFTIST POLITICAL CLASS PLANNED HALF A CENTURY AGO, MEN AND WOMEN ARE NOW ENEMIES. PERHAPS I CAN SOFTEN SOME OF THE WRONG-HEADED NOTIONS THAT ARISE OUT OF THAT.

WWNH does women a great service by making crystal clear certain basic truths of male-female relationships.  THANKS

This service is absolutely necessary since modern women, in American culture and other cultures, are not being taught these basic truths as they once were. TRUE

This article [2618] makes clear yet again why sex outside marriage is so bad and detrimental to women.

ABSOLUTELY BAD AND DETRIMENTAL AND IT PROMOTES MALES DISRESPECTING AND DOMINEERING FEMALES. BECAUSE THEY HAVE BEEN TURNED INTO ENEMIES, THE PHYSICALITY OF MEN  DOMINATES THE MENTAL ACUITY OF WOMEN AND SOCIETY LOSES IT’S COMPASS AND THE CULTURE WANDERS WITHOUT DIRECTION UNDER THE INFLUENCE OF FEMININE ORDER.

But this particular [SHACK UP] post adds an aspect of male behavior that, for me, actually undercuts the WWNH assertion that men are very practical and rational and wham, bam, thank you ma’am about sex.

AS ARE WOMEN, MEN ARE ALWAYS PRACTICAL AND RATIONAL TO THEMSELVES. IF THERE’S NOTHING WORTHWHILE TO LEAVE BEHIND, THEN POKE, COME, AND GO ARE VERY PRACTICAL AND RATIONAL TO BOTH GENDERS. BUT WOMEN AFTER SEX USUALLY HAVE SOMETHING WORTHWHILE NOT TO LEAVE BEHIND.

IF WOMEN FIND IT IMPRACTICAL AND IRRATIONAL TO DEAL WITH POKE, COME, AND GO, THEY HAVE THE COMPETITIVE ABILITY TO MAKE MEN PAY AN ADVANCE PRICE OF SELF-INVESTMENT, SUCH AS MARRIAGE. EVEN IF MEN CAN’T, WON’T, OR DON’T, BOTH GENDERS ARE BORN TO COMPETE TO GET THEIR WAY WITH OTHERS. WHOEVER DOMINATES THAT PROCESS, WINS IN THE END.

YOUR ASSERTION THAT WWNH UNDERCUTS ITSELF RESTS ON THE PRESUMPTION THAT THE MALE NATURE CANNOT BE DISTINGUISHED FROM LESSONS LEARNED IN LIFE. MEN SHOULD BE HELD AT FAULT ONLY FOR LESSONS LEARNED. IT’S THE MALE NATURE THAT GOD CREATED AND THAT WOMEN MUST PRIMARILY WORK WITH AND EXPLOIT THEIR OWN NATURE DOING SO. THAT IS, IF WOMEN HOPE TO SUCCEED IN FULFILLING THEIR HOPES AND DREAMS.

My view of a man who would be “desperate” to start co-habiting or to continue by shameless manipulation is that he is not merely or only doing the natural male thing.

YOU’RE RIGHT, THOSE ARE LESSONS LEARNED. MEN BY NATURE ARE NOT DESPERATE ABOUT WOMEN. THEY LEARN THAT SHAMELESS MANIPULATION CAN REWARD WITH A SMALL INVESTMENT OF SELF.

He is actually doing something that is warped, that is immature, that actually denies the male-female realities WWNH reminds women of.

EXAMPLES SET BY POOR PARENTING AND IMMATURE TEEN PEERS WARP THE MALE MIND. VALUES AND STANDARDS ADOPTED IN ADOLESCENCE GENERATE IMMATURITY. MASCULINE-STYLE SEXUAL FREEDOM MAKES ADULTOLESCENTS OF MEN.

Co-habitation reinforces for men an immature, actually pre-adolescent view of life. It’s the view that ignores the reality of the existence of women.

JUSTIFIED BY SEXUAL FREEDOM, WOMEN REFUSE TO EARN THE RESPECT OF MEN BY WITHHOLDING CONQUEST. WOMEN ARE CONSEQUENTLY SEEN AS UNRESPECTABLE, UNDESIRABLE EXCEPT FOR SEX, AND TO BE USED AS TOOLS OF MALE PLEASURE. AND THAT’S BEFORE THEY GO OVERWEIGHT AND LOSE THE REST OF MALE INTEREST FOR MARRIAGE.

It’s the [PRE-ADOLESCENT] view that says pleasure and power can be obtained by being persistent, clever, and overwhelming, and responsibility for properly handling pleasure and power can be discarded the moment that responsibility starts to limit enjoyment of pleasure and power.

BOTH SEXES ARE BORN TO GET THEIR WAY WITH THE OTHER. WOMEN USE THEIR FREE WILL TO DISCARD RESPONSIBILITY AS MEN DO; EXAMPLE: WHEN A WOMAN YIELDS TO  CONQUEST OFTEN AGAINST HER BETTER JUDGMENT.

Whether they are gay or straight, it doesn’t matter.  It’s just the male way, built on DNA, hormones, and brain wiring.

I SEE THE POWER/PLEASURE INTERACTION AS COMPETITION, NEGOTIATING, AND THUS NATURAL TO BOTH GENDERS. POWER IS THE PROCESS OF MEN DEALING WITH WOMEN, ENTERTAINMENT IS THE SYSTEM AND PLEASURE OF WHAT WOMEN OFFER WHEN DEALING WITH MEN. NEGOTIATION CALLS FOR BALANCE, BUT MEN LEARN HOW TO DEFEAT WOMEN WHEN WOMEN DON’T LIVE UP TO THEIR DNA, HORMONES, AND BRAIN WIRING.

But I am at a point in my life where I am coming to see that men who function this way are actually not functioning as men were made to function.

MEN ARE FOLLOWING THEIR NATURE TO THE CORE WHEN WOMEN FAIL TO FOLLOW THEIR NATURE TO THE CORE. BOTH SEXES ARE BORN TO BE COMPATIBLE AS MATES AND WILLING AND ABLE TO COMPETE TO GET THEIR WAY. WHEN ONE GOES ASTRAY, THE OTHER FOLLOWS BY TAKING ADVANTAGE. BY FOLLOWING THEIR NATURES, THEY MATCH UP PRETTY EVENLY, AND IT’S A DRAW THAT EARNS MUTUAL RESPECT.

For purposes of teaching and reinforcing WWNH ideas, it is very helpful to isolate instinctive male behavior and look at it separate from female behavior, but that behavior in the real world is not separated from female behavior.

I THOROUGHLY ISOLATE INSTINCTIVE FEMALE MOTIVATION AS WELL AS MALE. SO, AT WWNH, FEMALE BEHAVIOR IN THE REAL WORLD IS NOT SEPARATED FROM MALE BEHAVIOR. I GO FURTHER, MATCH THEIR NATURES AS COMPATIBLE, AND IDENTIFY DIFFERENT MOTIVATIONS AS THEY LEARN DIFFERENT LESSONS IN LIFE.

Men who consistently act as if their male behavior is meant to exist independent and uninfluenced by female behavior . . .

Those are not men as God intends them to be.

YOU MUST MEAN IN RELATION TO WOMEN. NEITHER SEX STANDS ALONE. GOD CREATED A SPECIES THAT HAS TO PERPETUATE ITSELF OR PERISH, AND HE WOULDN’T DO THAT OR WE WOULD HAVE BEEN GONE MILLENNIA AGO. INSTEAD, WE’VE BECOME THE MOST SUCCESSFUL SPECIES, IF WE JUST MEASURE BY EXPLOITATION OF OUR MENTAL ABILITY AND DEVELOPMENT.

Men who use their maleness to get their every selfish desire . . . and who try to try coerce other people when it looks as if what they desire is slipping away . . . those are not truly male men, no matter how much they may look it on the surface.

BOTH SEXES ARE BORN TO COMPETE TO GET THEIR WAY. IF WOMEN ARE LOSING, IT’S NOT THE FAULT OF MEN. IF MEN ARE WINNING, IT’S A PYRRHIC VICTORY, BECAUSE THEY HAVE LOST FAR MORE BY WOMEN LOSING THEIR ABILITY TO HANDLE MEN SUCCESSFULLY IN RELATIONSHIPS.

In my view, however much a man might want sex, if he does not have the ability to patiently wait for it in the context of marriage, and if he is not willing to go into a serious relationship with the idea that it will end in marriage . . . he is no real man.

THAT’S WHY AND HOW WOMEN MAKE REAL MEN. WITHOUT WOMEN NO REAL MAN CAN EXIST, SINCE A WOMAN MEASURES THE REALITY OF A MAN AS SHE THINKS OF HIM AS FIT FOR MATING.

If a man can only be “tricked” into a commitment through a woman’s romantic strategies and is not mature enough to leave her the hell alone if it looks like marriage will not work . . .

SORRY, BUT ROMANTIC STRATEGIES HARNESS WOMEN AND NOT MEN. MEN RELY MORE ON LOGIC, REASON, CURIOSITY, AND IMAGINATION RATHER THAN ROMANTIC FANTASIES THAT MOTIVATE WOMEN TO EXPECT MORE THAN MEN ARE WILLING TO INVEST OF THEMSELVES.

He is not, not, not a man as God intends men to be.

OF COURSE HE IS. HOWEVER, HE’S NOT THE MAN THAT WOMEN OR ONE WOMAN INTENDS HIM TO BE. GOD MADE WOMEN THE GOVERNORS OVER MALE BEHAVIOR. WOMEN ARE ENDOWED WITH THE RELATIONSHIP EXPERTISE, BUT MEN HAVE NOT THE FOGGIEST NOTION OR INTEREST IN HOW TO CREATE, BUILD, OR MANAGE RELATIONSHIPS THAT LAST (ONLY THOSE BUILT AROUND POKE, COME, AND GO).

However much a woman might want him to be The One, she needs to run as far away from him as possible.  Because it is for sure that she will get hurt if she doesn’t.

IT’S WHY GOD MADE WOMEN SO MAGNIFICENTLY ENDOWED TO IDENTIFY, SCREEN, AND REFUSE TO ASSOCIATE WITH THOSE FROM WHOM SHE SHOULD RUN. IF SHE DOESN’T, WHY BLAME MEN?

SHE HAS ALL THE RELATIONSHIP TALENT. SHE HOLDS THE COUPLE/FAMILY UNIT TOGETHER. HE HAS ALL THE HARD-WORK TALENT. HE IS DESIGNED AND HORMONALLY FITTED TO KEEP A RELATIONSHIP PROVIDED, PROTECTED, PROVISIONED, AND WITH PROBLEMS SOLVED.

EXPECT MORE OR SOMETHING ELSE, WITHOUT FIRST RAISING HIM AS A BOY AND LATER CONDITIONING HIS THOUGHTS TO FEMALE ADVANTAGE, AND YOU WILL BE SURPRISED BY A MAN’S LIMITATIONS FOR SATISFYING ONE OR MORE WOMEN.

2262. Compatibility Axioms #861-870

861. Women expect men to hear what was never said. Men cannot, will not, or do not follow a woman’s verbal meanderings and impreciseness as other women can, will, and do. [291]

862. People miss a major point about teaching abstinence for teens. Girls firm up their confidence, expand interpersonal skills, and boost their relationship expertise by repeatedly saying ‘No’. Boys learn what’s permissible, acceptable, and valuable in the female world. [291]

863. Prettier women are treated better, and any woman can be prettier. Clothes and grooming impress both men and women. [291]

864. It’s rhetorical, but why do women try so hard to please men with sex but not please them with feminine charm, beauty, and strength of character that men admire? Men admire beauty, but they use sex and it’s a throwaway. [291]

865. Shack up as substitute or step toward marriage puts a couple’s destiny in the man’s hands. (Also, eighty percent of marriages fail after cohabiting.) [291]

866. The easier a man’s conquest, the less valuable to him is the conquered. [292]

867. Sex is an emotional commodity that works like an economic one. The greater the supply, the lower the cost men pay in emotional involvement, time, effort, and courtship expense. [292]

868. The conqueror thinks more about ‘me’ than ‘you and me’. Denial of conquest first shifts a man’s focus seriously toward ‘us’. [292]

869. Functionality and comfort dictate what men wear and look like except as female influence and expectations dictate otherwise. [292]

870. Pressures of Feminism force men to change their behavior, but it does not change their nature. Men resent, resist, and retaliate one way or another. Individual women reap the consequences. [292]

2175. Dating in Mid-life — Part C8: Her Past, A Simpler View

You can’t shape the dating atmosphere to your advantage without anticipating what is likely to come up. This post is aimed at reinforcing the more practical side of a subject and admittedly aims more at younger than more mature women.

Perhaps the toughest test of your worth to Mr. Good Enough, can and will he accept you without knowing the details of your past sex life? He has four interests: to determine his comparative value as a lover, to prevent his embarrassment as your lover, to determine the likelihood of you cheating, and what really intrigues him: Promiscuous? With his friends? With someone he knows? Mistress? Shack up? Cheap? Easy?

It’s his nature; he’s born that way. Men begrudge anyone who went before them, and the begrudging varies with who are the individuals. Husbands can be forgotten as legitimate earners of your favors (unless you bring it up)—but not the others and some measure of too many or too much reflects harshly against not just you but more importantly him.

CAUTION: The Manosphere loudly broadcasts that women are equally entitled to sexual freedom and their history is of no concern to advocates of Game philosophy. Don’t fall for it, darling. Their philosophic values are founded on the supreme superiority of men over women to the extent that respect for women is non-existent. Their philosophic flavoring floats on Feminism, tends toward homoeroticism, and leans on Islamic values. Overall, it contradicts anyone’s interest in sexual discretion and monogamy.

Here are a dozen pointers to help shape the dating scene to your advantage.

1. Your known past generates suspicions that override acceptances and assurances. Your unknown past generates fewer suspicions to eat away at the mutual trust you hope to build.  [241]
2. Men seek and others often advise full disclosure. When men actively pursue more about your past, they can’t ignore and not use the information to shape their thinking. Talked into full disclosure, women expect fairness and equality. The male nature does not originate fairness for sharing sexual assets, and equality is a female concept that men don’t normally consider in human relations. [241]
3. People argue that trust cannot arise without full disclosure. Hah! Trust arises from convictions drawn from beliefs and speculation about a person. Trust does not arise when specific knowledge prevents such convictions. [241]
4. Full disclosure comes out uneven, unequal, un-repairable, because the male nature values a woman’s chastity far more than the female nature finds interest in a man’s sexual history.  [241]
5. The harder a man works to draw details out of your sexual past, the more likely he will use it against you sometime, someway. Perhaps latently, indirectly, or vengefully. It’s available to hold over your head and to rationalize or recover from his own mistakes. [241]
6. Forgetting your sexual past with lack of knowledge is far easier than forgiving what Mr. GoodEnough learns from full disclosure. The more he knows, the more he thinks. The more he thinks, the more he looks for the bad or unacceptable. The more unacceptable, the less forgetting. The less forgetting, the less forgiving. [241]
7. Feminine intuition trumps full-disclosure. While not easy, you are blessed with the skills and expertise to withhold who, what, when, where, why, and how of what he doesn’t already know. Withholding information is not dishonesty. Disclosure means candid, accuracy means honest. [302]
8. His spirit and willingness to give more than he takes may indicate his ability to honor your decision and help qualify him as Mr. GoodEnough. However, if he’s more of a taker, he may not honor your other expectations either. Such as these after marriage: Have kids even though he agreed. Or your desire to stay home and home school, when he wants more income in the home. Or support you in caring for a sick parent. [327]
9. Your undisclosed sexual past defends your relationship, because his ammo box lacks your historical bullets to fire back in domestic squabbles. [327]
10. The forward-thinking woman convinces all her female friends to never leak anything about her past to her dating partner, boyfriend, husband, or any other man. But this may fail too, because friends betray friends. They steal dates, boyfriends, lovers, and husbands, don’t they? Consequently, the wisest woman keeps her sexual history as secret as possible even from friends and family. [327]
11. Former relationships may be known to your man, but no mention should be made or comparative details disclosed. It’s toxic in any relationship for you to disclose the relative sexual worth of one man to another, regardless of who’s the better. [302]
12. Don’t think you can outsmart him by claiming he’s your greatest lover ever. You opened the door to his inquiry about how and why he’s the greatest, so you’re trapped into telling what you’re best off not to disclose.

The more that Mr. GoodEnough knows, the more likely he will make you pay some price for your past. Couples do squabble. You may never know or understand what’s happening. Yet, he may strike back because of your earlier sexual events. It takes very little for reminders of your past to grow into humiliation for him. Your history affects his sense of significance, whether you know it or not and accept it or not. 

I know this subject has been perhaps overheated and difficult to accept. Too much of a good thing can still be boring. Tomorrow’s subject is also a tender one that needs to be reviewed for mid-life dating. It’s submission, even though we all know that subject doesn’t apply before marriage. Preparation is easier than recovery, which is the not just everything but quite often the only thing.

 

2098. Compatibility Axioms #531-540

531. When he shows interest, she starts out as targeted sex object. Her yielding confirms it. Hunters stop aiming at game already put down—except for arranging booty call. [198]

532. To each man interested in her, she’s a sex object. She yields and becomes something else. She does not yield and becomes something better for him—bigger challenge, rise above himself, something he has to earn by showing more respect for their mutual interest. [198]

533. Her withholding unmarried sex is the most valuable way to shift a man’s focus to feminine interests, especially away from male dominance. [198]

534. Before conquest he keeps looking for weaknesses to get her in bed. While doing so, he learns of her other qualities and strengths that can benefit him, and which can grow into promise that she has to be his mate. [198]

535. Female dominance works indirectly, beneath conscious thought. Her insistence on chastity before marriage forces him to choose. Either depart or enlarge his interest in all the other wonderful things she has to offer and qualities she has to charm and bless his life. [198]

536. Unmarried chastity with a man enables her to orchestrate his interest gently but deliberately through this sequence: girlfriend, sweetheart, fiancée, bride, wife. It’s her path to feminine glory. [198]

537. Her yielding unmarried sex empowers him to pursue this: hook up, link up, and maybe shack up until his freedom calls, and they split up. It’s his path to masculine glory. [198]

538. Male virginity has no value to females. Moreover, unmarried boys have little future use for the girl who taps it. [199]

539. A man changes dramatically after conquering a woman. She never knows what to expect either, which is why time and delay work better for women.[199]

540. Three major roles rooted in human nature trump love. Dominance for a couple comes in three colors: Dominant mate or the head, dominant nester or the heart, and dominant family leader or the most cherished. Marriage works best when that sequence matches this: him, her, and either. [199]

1796. RANDOM THOUGHTS—Group 75

1. Bitchiness arises out of role confusion. Her heart and mind are not in sync.
2. A female’s easy smile whispers that she knows she’s pretty.
3. The more different she appears from other women, the more unforgettable she is to a man.
4. If a wife mothers her husband, expect him to cheat. If he’s also of an adolescent mindset, expect to lose him.
5. When she shacks up with a man, she puts a lid on his respect that she can earn. Limited respect means limited love, which means limited time together.
6. Dignity—You have to act it to get it.
7. A man’s devotion shines when he relinquishes dominance to a woman on those issues she wishes to dominate.
8. Where laughter prevails, hope can’t be far behind. Hope and laughter go together. If you find little hope in your heart, find and generate laughter with your mind.
9. The best husbands are trained in toddlerhood. Mothers charm boys to absorb adult values they are too young to emulate but which program their heart. Mothers do it by inculcating/indoctrinating adult values while respecting them as person first, boy second, and ‘unrespecter’ of bad behavior third.
10. The female nature finds that manipulation comes easy. Men are not so inclined by nature.

1299. Coffee and Tea with Mrs. G. — #33

Ladies: I’ve been pondering these treasured nuggets and thought you might enjoy them too.

• Happiness flows not from what she’s grateful for, but that she is grateful.
• Female eagerness to hook up, couple up, or shack up severely weakens her influence for shaping her future with that man.
• Lifetime love builds on her gratefulness for whatever and whoever stabilizes her future and emotional security.
• Feminism produces among females an attitude of ingratitude for manly behavior. It turns men away from women except in pursuit of sex. Femininity produces an attitude of gratitude that attracts men. It compounds and uses each female’s personal assets and appealing attractions to both capture and hold a man.
• This poor strategy causes women to lose the war of the sexes. She thinks sex will capture a man, her romancing will confirm him as the right man, and her love will hold him.
• Don’t judge a man’s respect for a woman by the way he talks, teases, and jokingly complains about her. Judge his respect for her by the overall, large-picture way he treats her.
• If he considers his ideas superior to hers, it’s not necessarily her but his nature. Feminine charm and anticipation can flush such bias from his head if he doesn’t know what’s happening.

1264. Ties That Bind and Blind — #14

• A couple’s life includes relationship management. To men relationships require no management.
• If her breasts are not uplifted, pointed, and a distinct pair, she’s already starting to look older. Bosomy breasts come naturally as women age and as they fatten up.
• When she chases a man for his looks, she wants to impress herself and others. However, he receives the message that she’s available and disposable.
• Girls cheapen themselves to attract a boyfriend, and success builds habit. Men don’t value cheap women except for sex, which forces such girls as women to bounce from one man to another.
• Easy sex might promote shack up and even short-term marriage within the mind of her boyfriend. But, it won’t stir up the foundational respect needed for enduring love that survives the inevitable fading of romantic love.
• Men don’t respect desperate people. A desperate woman is not a keeper and is dump-able without much remorse.
• Sex deferred until marriage maximizes her as a highly feminine matrimonial target. Only a ‘giant of a man’ in his eyes, that is himself, his royal studliness, could beat out all those other competitors for her hand made evermore valuable by her impenetrable chastity.

 

830. People Want What They Can’t Have

She initiates, and he reacts; it’s the opposite of what works best for a lifetime together. I’m not sure, but I’d bet: Except for the man suggesting they shack up, modern women are first to pledge commitment, seek his commitment, and even include shack up as essential or a lure to seal the deal.

·        As I use these terms here: Dedication is his effort; devotion is what she receives. From signs of his dedication, she infers his devotion.

A woman shouldn’t commit before he commits, and not even then unless she sees devotion in his eyes and actions and not just his words. Why? Odds greatly favor only a temporary arrangement, plus she encourages his natural dominance to be more dominant.

·        If he makes himself worthy of her, she may win but no guarantees. If she makes herself worthy of him, she loses. Yielding to his conquering nature automatically makes her worthy of him. He interprets it to mean that he’s good enough for her just as he is. This means his natural dominant spirit is also okay. As a challenge to him, her value goes down, and it adds temporariness.

·        By providing sex and committing to a man without marriage, she takes him off the hook and hangs herself on it. How? Her commitment neutralizes his competitors for him—other men. This takes pressure off him to show dedication for her. Having had sex with her, growth of his dedication slows or stops. He competes less strenuously to keep her, because he’s had her. And so, he gets by with giving less of himself to fulfill his promises. This too adds temporariness.

Those points should caution women today, but feminist blather convinces them otherwise. Dealing with men, they try to force success with short-term endeavors. This costs them long-term togetherness.